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Was graduate school worth it?

June 16th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

So I left STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) when I had my kids. At least the academic side. I'm not sure I want to go back to what I did for a private company. Both my perspective has changed and what I did is changing.

Science phds in many fields often take years (I can attest). Overall it's a cushy job and one that is often easy to fall into the trap.

You get paid $33k/year. Yes that's it. When my DH started in 2000 it was $18k/year. I started in 2003 at $22k/year. So it's gone up but it's not exactly a living wage. However you get student health insurance, aren't required to pay tuition, and while you work long hours there is a lot of job flexibility. Realize I also lived in very HCOLA and went to top institutions. According to the

Text is NIH and Link is http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-14-046.html
NIH, the average graduate student stipend is $22k. So people living elsewhere pay less. Also being in STEM means a stipend, those in liberal arts and humanities well they go into debt.

But in my experience after you finish your long slog you go into post-doctoral training. The NIH again says the starting salary is $42k. When I stopped in 2010 where I was it was $35k. Now how do you suppose they get around paying less? Well the post-doctoral funding is not through the NIH but other funding entities and thus professors are able to pay less than the NIH recommended going rate. But $42k? And it goes up to $55k after 7 years. You are probably thinking not bad. Not way. Truth is most post-docs don't get that sort of raises after 7 years. And while they are covered by medical insurance, they often lack access to a 401k. That means they aren't saving for retirement.

So you are 30 when you finish your phd, start a post-doc and if you are lucky done in another 7 years and 37 with no retirement or any savings unless you were super frugal. Which many are. But you are still far behind your peers who was working since 22 and saving. My DH and I were super frugal savers and bought a condo as I mentioned during graduate school. But we were the outliers I believe and not the norm.

So what happens after post-doc? In theory you get a position as a professor somewhere. But nowadays it doesn't happen. Why? Well NIH and other entities are cutting funding. Getting a position is easier now than getting a grant. But getting a position is next to impossible. The joke is someone needs to die for a position to open, which in many cases is true. Because schools have to budget not just money but space for a new professor.

Do I know people who are still post-docs? Sadly yes MANY. Many have been "post-docs" on 7+ years. They work full time, very hard, very long hours and make honestly very little.

I have a mom friend whose career track was similar to mine. She does her post-doc with two kids and I ask her if it's worth it. She has been a post-doc since 2007. She said she hopes so one day. She still dreams of a position. It doesn't matter that she pays to work (daycare costs more than she makes). I can see the financial part of the equation being negligent long term, daycare is a short term expense. What I don't get when do you give up the dream? When do you accept that you won't get a professorship position you desire? 10 years? When you hit 50? I also know 50 year old post-docs who have been there for 15 years and call it their "career" to work for someone else but still dream.

I don't know what the answer is. DH's best friend is another STEM post-doc since 2007. He is at a crossroads. Does he give up? Or does he keep trying? He really is in turmoil because at 37 he's recently married (cheap wedding post), hoping to start a family, wants to buy a house and car, and is finally getting serious about saving for retirement. But what if a job pops up and they have to move? What if he doesn't get a position? When should he give up? He talks about it with us, since we're all in the same field. My DH said give up now. Me? I'm not so sure.

Personally I left the post-doc on the table for myself. Never did one and probably never will. I don't want to work and pay someone else to watch my kids when they are small. And if I wanted to go back, I still wouldn't do one because I don't want to work the long hours anymore. Even without kids I think I would have done something else because even before I finished I knew I personally didn't have what it took to be a professor. I wasn't successful enough (ie published enough). And going to do a post-doc isn't going to change that.

So I'm taking my time now to look at other options. Was it a mistake? Yes, but the mistake I made was way back in undergraduate not considering then what I wanted to do long term. Graduate school wasn't the mistake.

What would I have done? Probably become an actuary or accountant. And now? I am looking into becoming an enrolled agent or accountant/bookkeeper. This way I can work but not full time and enjoy number crunching.

Did you go into what you majored in college? Do you like it? Was it what you expected?

10 Responses to “Was graduate school worth it?”

  1. frugalredhead Says:
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    Your post is exactly why I didn't continue on to get my PhD. I stopped at my Master's and went into healthcare (and even then, my Master's wasn't worth it because I could be doing what I'm doing now without it, probably for very near the same salary if not exactly the same). I paid 2 years of out of state tuition and it cost me a fortune. I make almost $70K a year without ever spending that kind of time and money on a PhD. I could have made more than I do now if I had gotten the PhD and gone into pharmaceutical research, which is what I did before I had my Masters, but those jobs have been incredibly unstable in the last 10-15 years, with the constant buyouts and cutting of microbiological research funding. The money is in things like cholesterol drugs and Viagra, not in antibiotics!

    That said, my undergraduate degree in biology was critical for what I am doing now and the advanced degree does give me better critical thinking skills than a lot of the colleagues I have had.

  2. CB in the City Says:
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    I completed the coursework for a Master's in English but didn't write the thesis. Many personal reasons for that, but also there was the glaring fact that no one at that time wanted to hire someone with a Master's in English. Even the PhD's were in very rough competition for jobs. So I switched to library science, earned my MLS, and then, after a number of years in the field, switched again to prospect research. I REALLY could have done without the graduate study in English, but it was, in fact, a very good time in my life, and worth it just for the intrinsic value.

  3. My English Castle Says:
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    I suspected CB had graduate work in English! Such a wonderful reader. Uhm, graduate school in English, particularly in literature is a horrible idea. Been there, still there. I used to be on the committee admitting grad students, and honestly, I just wanted to give them a hug and tell them to do something else. Grad school, especially at only the masters level in the humanities is a stupid idea unless you're teaching secondary ed and it means a pay bump. That said, although I struggle and grumble and really become angry about the money, I love my life. It's a beautiful June Monday, and I'm taking my kid to the pool. I spent three months in London (twice). But for academic staff like me, it's not a liveable wage, and without DH and my former life in brokerage, we couldn't afford a house, a decent car, or much of anything. And it's not going to get any better.

  4. My English Castle Says:
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    Hi Living--In response to your message on my post, I am academic staff (albeit with a tenure equivalency) at a state university. I have been for 15 years.

  5. CB in the City Says:
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    Thank you, EC!

  6. LivingAlmostLarge Says:
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    frugalredhead, exactly dead on. The industry of pharmaceutical is not only unstable but also shrinking in so many ways. The instability is high. Very similar but harder than tech companies.

    CB do you like what you do? Do you regret the time for the english degree or was it while you were working?

    Myenglishcastle, why did you leave the brokerage? How long were you there? I think sometimes if people tell the students the reality that 1 in maybe 1000 get a position as a professor even in the sciences I wonder if it would make a difference? That in your class even at a top institution like UCSF, Harvard, Hopkins look around, one of you in the class of 20 will get a position. You'll basically have to kill your classmates to do it truthfully.

    But alas would I do it again? I don't know. Probably not. I should have done something different in undergrad.

  7. My English Castle Says:
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    Hmm, why did I leave brokerage? English was always my first choice, but after I started working in brokerage, at first casually, I really grew to like it. I loved the pace of it, full of fast and furious days. And I worked with some excellent people. But it was a nasty business, and I saw plenty of things that were both illegal and immoral going on. I just could not spend the rest of my time there. When (D?)H#1 got a job here, we moved, and it seemed the optimum time to go to grad school. I was there over 10 years, and it taught me a lot about people trying to outsmart the market, and thinking they knew best. It also taught me that money did not equal happiness. All good life lessons which came in handy both discussing literature and teaching writing to business majors.

  8. LivingAlmostLarge Says:
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    Very cool. I think it's hard sometimes to fall into graduate school because you think you should rather than thinking you need to.

  9. CB in the City Says:
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    Sorry, LAL, I didn't see your question till today. Yes, I like what I do, although I do not particularly like the political environment in my current position. I like to do research and enjoy the mental agility of analyzing information and preparing reports and profiles. I SHOULD regret the time I spent going toward my Master's in English, since I didn't really accomplish anything, but I enjoyed the experience so much and made friends that I will never forget. So I'm not sorry in that sense.

  10. LivingAlmostLarge Says:
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    CB at least you enjoyed the ride.

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