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October 16th, 2016 at 10:35 am

I don't like Donald Trump. I still haven't reconciled voting for Hillary either. I don't want to write in Gary Johnson, but I would write in Bernie Sanders.

Anyway this past week after watching the Donald Trump video and his words. It came up in a group of moms. I am disgusted and his words on the video definitely helps perpetuate rape culture.

More than one mom talked about rape on their college campus and having a friend go through it. I am unsure if it really was "friend or themselves" and they were hiding behind the words. Truth is that many guys talk like that especially guys with money and privilege. I mean look at the Stanford swimmer. The more expensive universities tend to have more kids born like Donald Trump to privilege.

I think that Donald did many actions that definitely were suspect in proper behavior. Because he thought he had the money, right, and power. And women don't talk about it because they are embarrassed and many times feel like they were to blame. I had a college roommate who was "date" rape but she never reported because she was drunk. She couldn't give consent but felt shame because she "brought it on herself". I wasn't there it was a sorority/fraternity party. Yet how much has it changed?

Now do we believe women? Do we say that being drunk is not consent? Or do we still bring up the victims past? My favorite line is Michelle Obama's a strong mand doesn't have to put down women.

I'm disgusted by Donald Trump. It just shows his total disdain for people in general. Actually both candidates do. I don't think either people have any sort of moral fiber. Arrrgh.

Do you think he did sexual assault all those women? Or is it the media? I wonder if more come out if it's really all made up. It's falling into the same line of more women stepping forward like Bill Cosby.

21 Responses to “power and prestige?”

  1. creditcardfree Says:

    I do think it is odd that women come forward at this stage. But I don't know what went behind closed doors. Nearly all sides of the media are really lacking in their investigative journalism. They do know how to spin everything. Just imagine the advertising dollars they are raking in with stories like these! Ugh.

    FYI, Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states, so you wouldn't be writing him in. But it wouldn't be wrong to write someone else in either. I think those who don't vote for the main two do send a signal to our politicians that we are not pleased. The bigger that number the better in my opinion.

  2. CB in the City Says:

    I don't have the least doubt that Trump did these things. It's totally in character for him. Back in his heyday, he was infamous for being a womanizer, and he didn't try to hide it. Now he wants to bury his past -- but that's exactly who he is.

    I think women don't come forward because they fear they won't be believed or taken seriously. When other women tell the same story, they feel encouraged to tell their own truth.

  3. rob62521 Says:

    I agree - both lack morals. Both have had prestigious lives of entitlement. It is absolutely disgusting that either are candidates and Johnson isn't well read or knowledgeable about current events. Truly a sad commentary on politics in our nation.

  4. snafu Says:

    I totally believe the circumstances and description outlined by 70 y/o Ms Leeds. Pre teens and professional women are incredibly vulnerable to even verbal, male sexual aggression Very young girls are committing suicide as a result of being targeted on Twitter.

    70 y/o Donald Trump's behaviour is totally in line with well published behaviour since the 1970's and totally meshes with his bragging to Billy Bush. The history has been on filler news for years as he built his reputation

  5. LuckyRobin Says:

    I'd rather have a well-liked, non-hypocritical, semi-pothead, who as governor could balance his state's budget, for president than either of those two excuses for human beings. While he might not be as well read as some, he can surround himself with advisers who are, like most presidents do. Morally, I cannot vote for Trump. Ethically, I cannot vote for Clinton. I think the only way this country will not be savaged, is if we vote for Johnson. People always think it is about the lesser of two evils. But why vote for any evil? Johnson isn't evil. A little uninformed, but that can be changed. 75% of Americans didn't know what Aleppo was either. We knew what Syria was and what was going on, but hadn't ever heard the word Aleppo until that interview because they weren't using it on the news. Now we know. So does he. It changed, just like that, because someone told us. And then we googled it and found out more. He probably did, too.

  6. creditcardfree Says:

    Well said, Lucky Robin!! And Johnson is willing to work with both sides. We haven't seen that in quite some time. And we won't see it if the top two are elected.

  7. LivingAlmostLarge Says:

    My values are not in line with Johnson. I don't like either of the two others. I'll probably write in Bernie. I can see voting for Johnson, but I don't get why republicans don't realize he espouses what Republicans used to stand for? Smaller government and more personal responsibilites.

    Now we have two parties both wanting to tell people want to do. Only one of them is the party of religion and the other is not. Neither party is particularly responsible balancing the budget. Now Republicans think cut taxes but don't cut the government so it doesn't make sense. Dems are raise taxes and expand government which MAY NOT be your cup of tea but at least goes hand in hand logically.

    If it were anyone else but hillary I'd vote for them. I think she's too dishonest to win. I do believe Donald Trump thinks he's above everything because of how rich and famous he is. And would be a sexual predator.

  8. ceejay74 Says:

    I believe that the majority of these women's stories are true. There may be one or two that will turn out to be publicity stunts when vetted, but many of them are well-respected professionals who don't have much to gain from coming forward and are actually risking their reputation to speak up, so I believe them.

    Johnson's perspective on the environment concerns me. But literally anyone in this country (OK maybe not Sheldon Adelson or the Koch Brothers) would be a better choice for president than Donald Trump. That's why I'm 99% sure I'm voting for Clinton (although I refuse to vote early on the off chance something happens to change my mind). I've rarely been less excited to vote for someone, but I hate Trump that much.

    Pay attention to the down-ticket choices, and vote on the off years, where your vote has a lot more weight because of fewer people voting. What kind of legislature we get will ultimately have more impact on whether our govt. gets anything done.

  9. PatientSaver Says:

    I can perfectly understand why these women didn't come forward sooner. I mean, they're putting their reputation on the line and exposing them to all sorts of condemnation and nasty comments. When he was doing so well in the polls, they probably figured, what's the use? But now that one came forward, i think others felt that coming forward then would lend credence to all their stories.

    I would strongly encourage you to vote for Hillary.

    Here's why. I agree she doesn't come across warmly like Michelle Obama and she doesn't inspire like Barak. And yes, she showed poor judgment in using private servers for her emails. But she will LEARN from that mistake. I daresay she will never do that again.

    Donald Trump, on the other hand, shows moral defects of character, and that is not something he will ever unlearn. It is who he is.

    If you vote for a third party candidate, while it does make a statement, you are also throwing your vote away in an election where it could still be razor thin. How many votes did Al Gore lose by, wasn't it 500 and something? Hillary needs EVERY possible vote. There is so much riding on this election. The next Supreme Court nominee could exert a major impact on court decisions for many years to come becus as you know, they serve for life.

  10. PatientSaver Says:

    One reason the Russians probably favor Trump is becus they see him as an easy mark. All they need to do is get a beautiful Russian femail spy in there and they've gotten his Achille heel already.

  11. FrugalTexan75 Says:

    From the time Trump first opened his mouth, I was utterly disgusted. There's just no way I can vote for him. Hillary then is the only real option unfortunately.

    I too think that these women's stories are legit.

  12. creditcardfree Says:

    Members of the military have and would be court martialed for far less than Hillary passed around on her private server...I find the whole FBI investigation suspect. As a military wife, I simply can't put my trust in her with my husband's life on the line. And my husband works in a secure building with clearances, so we understand how she deceives the public with how she explains her classified material.

    I'm not going to try to convince you one way or the other, LAL. But your vote, is your voice and you have to vote for who YOU believe in...even if a third party or someone no longer running. Our voices aren't heard if we vote for someone we don't believe in.

    LAL, are you asking why Republicans don't jump ship and vote Johnson? Most likely because they don't think a third party can win, loyal to the party, and want to influence the Supreme Court nominees...same reasons Democrats aren't dumping Clinton.

    I personally am super stressed by the campaign this year. It's not even about the result, it's about the divisiveness. Instead both parties are bad mouthing each other, and giving minimal time to real issues like our national debt!!

  13. LuckyRobin Says:

    You have to vote for what your conscience dictates. If that is writing in someone else, than that is what you must do or you will feel sick for the next four years. It is better than voting for those horrible, corrupt, main party candidates.

    The nastiness of Trump and Clinton is part of why I am so drawn to Johnson. He's a genuinely nice guy. He doesn't roll around in the crap and throw it about like the other two. He doesn't break laws left and right. He isn't a douche. He doesn't spew nonsense. If he doesn't know something he says so and then he looks into it. He works across party lines instead of radically dividing people to the point of no return. I may not agree with a few of his party's ideas, but I agree with enough of them, and who ever agrees with every single thing in one party's platform anyway? I don't think he'll throw our soldiers and opeartives under a bus. I'm not worried his followers will riot or loot or firebomb or try to take basic human rights away from people. He's not a flame fanner. He doesn't support rape culture and Trump and Clinton both do (she stands by a man who has just as many accusers as Trump and has viciously torn their lives apart). If anyone else has a chance, I think it's him.

    My husband's family is generally very Republican. Most of them are voting for Johnson. My extended family is generally very union Democrat. Most of them are voting for Johnson as well. I've been voting independently for a long time, but I never thought I'd see so many of them jump ship like this in my lifetime. It's just that bad.

  14. Joe Says:

    Snafu, I think Jessica Leeds' 30 year old story has many flaws. She said she didn't mind when 'his hands stayed above her waist'. Come on, that's ridiculous. Did she yell for help - no. Did she ask to be moved - no. Doesn't make any sense.

    Also, the young girls committing suicide are usually targeted online by other girls - or even other mothers.

  15. ceejay74 Says:

    CCF, I did want to alleviate your concern on one issue, because it's been reported lots of different ways, but this is a very good breakdown of the emails issue and why it's not as prosecutable as people make it seem. (I had to put a space in the URL to get it to post here, FYI) http://www. politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/18/donald-trump/fbi-director-james-comey-says-donald-trump-has-it-/

  16. creditcardfree Says:

    ceejay, I wasn't referring to Patraeus, but lower ranking soldiers, airman and navymen who have been prosecuted for far less. This is one example: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/kristian-saucier-investigation-hillary-clinton-223646.

  17. ceejay74 Says:

    I think that says more about that penalty being too harsh than Clinton's verdict being too lenient. Petraeus's slap on the wrist definitely seemed too lenient; his is the only serious deliberate misconduct of the three. Clinton's carelessness stemmed I think from technological ignorance -- and as PS says, she's unlikely to make a similar mistake again after the hell she's gone through about it.

  18. creditcardfree Says:

    Maybe ceejay.

    I'm not a fan of her war stance either. There are still US soldiers overseas in the middle of civil wars and she is part of some of those decisions. I can't figure out what the end game really is...and honestly I don't think those in decision making status know either. Ugh!! We are 19 trillion dollars in debt it's time to make some changes. I already voted. Good luck with your decision LAL!! Smile

  19. ceejay74 Says:

    Well, I am with you there. I hate her hawkishness and disregard for the lives of service members (as well as civilian and military lives in the Middle East), and it was one of 2 or 3 things I very strongly dislike about Obama's presidency. I also hate Trump's idea that we should basically hire ourselves out as mercenaries in other countries. I'm not sure a libertarian would do better, but I'm basically not happy with any president's war decisions from as long as I was old enough to follow them (basically Clinton I, Bush II and Obama).

  20. LivingAlmostLarge Says:

    I don't support Clinton's hawkiness. I also don't like the fact that she won't push for term limits and prevent lobbying. I'm not a libertarian. But as I get older I find myself being amenable to it if people prefer that over a more socialized government. I'd like either libertarian or socialized. I hate the fact that both parties seem a mix of both and BOTH parties want to stick their noses in where it doesn't belong BUT won't actually do anything about it.

    Obamacare is only good in that it forced insurance companies to give to the uninsurable. But I would have preferred it go further and go socialized. But instead it stopped short of making people personally responsible by making it a heavy tax to NOT buy insurance. You can't have a free market healthcare without forcing the healthy young people into it. UGH.

    I hate the fact that everyone right now is deep in the pockets of lobbyist. Yeah I wish Bernie had run as an independent. I'd have been thrilled. I think he'd be winning right now. I believe even people who don't agree with him would have picked him as a sane choice.

  21. James Says:

    Like it or not, there are two viable choices in this election, Trump or Clinton. Gary Johnson or Elizabeth Stein are not going to get elected.

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