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Not liking the candidates

July 18th, 2016 at 09:08 am

I was told in a conversation that by not voting for Hillary Clinton I was voting for Donald Trump. What? Why couldn't I vote for Hillary? And how can I turn my back on the Democratic Party? I nearly lost it. I very politely said I will vote but I'm going to write in Bernie Sanders or I'm going to vote for any independent.

Apparently I'm crazy to think that the democratic party basically gave the nomination to Hillary Clinton. Apparently that being a Bernie Sanders fan means I'm a democrat instead of an independent. And I'm a female suppressor.

No to all of these things. I think I'm actually more a liberal counterpart to a Donald Trump supporter. I mean in the sense that I get anyone supporting the Donald because they hate the establishment. I am not fond of the democrat establishment and I don't want to vote for Hillary.

I could care less if she's a women. She's dishonest and thinks she's above the law. And I was told how is she any different from GW, Colin Powell, etc who had private servers? It wasn't illegal when she started doing it, but it became illegal. Um okay yes but she continued doing it and I believe it's because she thinks she's above the law. Apparently everyone who runs for president thinks they are above the law. I don't think so the only other one I feel like who thinks that way was Nixon and we saw how that ended up.

Yes both liberal and conservative people are beholden to special interests. But why can't a person who supported bernie not support hillary? I don't like donald and what he stands for at all. I am not in support of his comments or platform or him. But I don't want to vote for a woman I despise and think is lying every step of the way. And I see nothing wrong with saying I'm probably less of a democrat than I've ever been and turning more independent as I get older. I hold more liberal views than what the "democratic" party holds. But I have a ton of friends who were republicans but now would call themselves liberaterians. Because republicans are not the party of smaller government anymore, but rather the government of spend more money on their agenda. So how can either party wonder why people are fleeing them?

Do you think both liberals and conservatives aren't in sync with the big party elites?

11 Responses to “Not liking the candidates”

  1. ceejay74 Says:

    I'm with you on all of this. As of right now, Trump is so evil that voting for the lesser of two evils seems like the only sane thing to do. But the day after I cast my vote in November, the Democratic party is losing me unless they start acting more like FDR.

    Personally I think the establishment Republicans and Democrats should get together to form a center-right conservative party, and the Green party should scoop up some awesome liberal politicians like Bernie and become the new liberal party. The right-wing fringe isn't going to be viable much longer; they're dying out and becoming more and more of a minority. (Despite Trump winning, keep in mind many of the early primaries were "won" with a minority of actual votes, like 25%-30%.) The Democrats have been slowly veering to the right on a lot of policies since Clinton I came to office, and Obama hasn't done much to stop that (though he's overseen some great progressive things).

  2. ceejay74 Says:

    I realize that sounded contradictory since I came to a different conclusion of voting for Hillary (at least for the moment; things could change and I think both nominations are less set in stone than they seem). I think everyone has to decide for themselves whether to make that decision. What I meant is I'm with you on everything you're thinking about her and about the Democratic party.

  3. creditcardfree Says:

    Definitely look into the other independent parties as options!! Currently that's my plan. Smile

  4. scfr Says:

    This year my vote is going to feel like a Faustian Bargain. The only thing I'm looking forward to is seeing how people customize their "I Voted" stickers on Facebook. I voted for the lesser of 2 evils? I grabbed my nose plug and headed to the polls? I closed my eyes and thought of America?

    I'm thinking about joining the Modern Whig Party.

  5. LuckyRobin Says:

    Those people are right up there with the "You're throwing your vote away!" crowd if you don't vote for your own party's candidate either. To that I always reply that west coast votes for president don't matter anyway. It's always decided before it gets here. All you can ever do is vote your conscience. If any dark horse has a chance, I think it is probably going to be Gary Johnson this time, but if he can just get the percentage needed to break the 2 party system this year and have the Libertarians be required to be on all ballots and required to be at the debates next time, then business as usual will be forced to change. People might start to wake up to the fact that it doesn't have to be either/or, the lesser of two evils, or any evil.

  6. rob62521 Says:

    The whole idea of voting for either one is sickening. Neither of them are good choices and it makes me wonder why this is the best either party could come up with. Ick.

  7. Petunia 100 Says:

    I'm not thrilled with the candidates either. I will be voting for Hillary, because I am not going to vote for a misogynistic racist who thinks it is appropriate to belittle someone's physical disability during a televised speech.

  8. Joe Says:

    Trump for me. Too many cops in my family to vote Democrat.

  9. pnwmom Says:

    It seems the person you were talking to was probably just trying to say, that since (it appears), one of the two, will become our next president, that if you don't like Trump, you may as well vote for Hillary, meaning not voting for Hillary is giving Trump more votes...not saying you are wrong or anything, just saying, I get what they were saying. You should absolutely vote for who you want to.

    I do vote, but as Lucky Robin states, by the time our polls close on the West Coast, it's already been called so why should I even bother voting? I wish it was decided by a popular vote rather than the stupid electoral votes. I feel like we don't even have a voice. We definitely need more than a two party system.

  10. livingalmostlarge Says:

    That's the other thing. The electoral college is a completely a farce. It's ridiculous that if you live in red or blue state your vote MATTERS ZERO! Either way. Your voice only matters if you live in a swing state. Otherwise everyone else in states that only go one way SUCK. I hate that. I mean sure california, washington, Oregon are all blue. Then the red states of alabama, arkansas, texas go red so why bother? It's so unfortunate that basically 90% people's votes matter CRAP.

  11. LuckyRobin Says:

    LAL--Really, the only part of WA that is blue is Seattle/Tacoma area, plus university towns. The rest is red. But everything is decided by Seattle/Tacoma, because they are the population centers. I seriously wish college kids could only vote in their home states by absentee ballots unless they have completely moved and live here full time year round. I think it would make a big difference in our local elections. These kids screw our mayoral elections up and then get to waltz away and not deal with the fallout. Drives me nuts. Plus they shouldn't be voting for our governor, or on our initiatives and referendums, when they don't have to live with the long-term consequences.

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