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April 12th, 2016 at 05:10 pm

I'm losing faith in the political parties. I don't get it at all. I may not vote for Donald Trump or like him but I think he's right for once. He said both political parties are corrupt. That he's been winning and Bernie Sanders (I support) are winning but yet everyone says they can't be the nominees. That in a contested convention Donald Trump will never win.

I don't get it. If Donald gets the most votes, and people like Marco Rubio suspend their campaigns, then their delegates should be up for grabs right? I think if Donald leads why shouldn't he win the nomination?

As for Bernie well I think superdelegates are ridiculous and have always thoughts so. It should be solely based on the voting delegates. And he's won the last 7 of 8 states and has tremendous momentum. I don't get why he can't win and look at his fundraising! Oh yeah because the establishment doesn't want him to win like they don't want Donald Trump to win.

I think the cards need to fall where they fall and the politicians need to stop interfering. Ridiculous.

I'm disgusted. If I were a republican I'd probably consider voting for donald trump just to thumb my nose at people in DC for deciding what the rest of the country wants. I feel like voting for Bernie (I did) at least I contributed to the "political revolution." But it seems like the establishment on both sides just wants the average joe to fall into line with what they want.

Hillary or Paul Ryan. Who cares what anyone else wants.

11 Responses to “political corruption”

  1. creditcardfree Says:

    This isn't anything new. I think some people have been misinformed/educated. Usually the delegate numbers are reached before a convention.This time they aren't. The reason I think that happened on the Republican side is because there were way to many candidates! Yes, Trump has more, but it still isn't the required number.

    I don't think it's corrupt. It's each party's job to bring someone to nominate on behalf of the party that can win. Not sure I entirely agree with the Super Delegates of the democratic party. Also think it is VERY odd that no other true Democrat ran in the primary. I think that there is some agreements (maybe threats) going on behind closed doors to not put up any other challengers besides Hillary.

    I think of it this way...how many people voted for someone who wasn't Trump? Not sure what the numbers are, but I think those people out number Trump, who again has not reached the correct number of delegates.

    It is interesting that is for sure. Smile

  2. Jenn Says:

    I usually don't comment on political topics on this forum, but I will say that I'm disgusted with the political parties' attempt to rig the election as well. I'm considering registering as an independent to abandon my party affiliation.

  3. ceejay74 Says:

    I feel the media has been really irresponsible. Ignoring Bernie (acting like Hillary was the only Dem candidate even when he was drawing thousands and raising millions) and only covering Trump (none of the people with actual experience) because of the ludicrous attention-getting things he says. Now Hillary and Trump have the most electoral votes even though they're less favorably viewed than say Bernie and Kasich. It shows the power of the media and how poorly managed it is.

  4. LuckyRobin Says:

    It's because the United States is not a true democracy. Never has been and probably never will be. It's not really representative of the people at all. It's representative of big banks, big pharma, big Ag, big money. I'm disgusted with the whole political process because it is one big lie.

    And the media as it is today is one of the worst things that has happened to this country. They don't get the facts anymore, they just get the story. So what if it ruins people's lives. So what if it's all lies, even malicious lies, so long as they get their headline or their talking point? No integrity at all anymore.

    I remember seeing a bumper sticker years ago. It said "Cthulu for President. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?" I totally know how they feel. There is not a single front-running candidate in either main stream party I would feel comfortable throwing my support behind, not even a lesser of two evils. There is one I could just about tolerate, but I don't think he's going to happen, either. I will probably just end up voting for one of the minor party candidates, because I vote my conscience, even it means nothing in the greater course of things.

  5. creditcardfree Says:

    Our government is representative of the people. This is an example of why being involved at the local level is super important. The local elected officials are often some of the delegates, thus representing their constituents. If you want to know how it's all set up and why read the Federalist Papers (I've heard it all from my husband).

    I'm going to agree that the media does play a big bad role. And so does money for those crazy ads. But what if we stopped watching those ads, and did our own research on candidates. A lot of the problem is lack of information by voters.

    LR, you bring up minor party candidates. I haven't even looked into those. But I think that is a good option if it came down to it. And notice again, how the big media doesn't cover those candidates. Ugh.

  6. CB in the City Says:

    I remember being in a political science class in my college days, when one of my classmates realized for the first time that getting the most votes doesn't necessarily mean a win (and she was very upset). My teacher replied that it was not corruption or "cheating", it was the process, as laid out by our founding fathers. It just doesn't play out this way very often -- usually one candidate in each party runs away with it all! And we forget what our own rules are and cry foul.

    I do think media and social media are too influential, but, again, as CCF says, people who want to educate themselves about the candidates can do it. The up side is that we've never had so much information at our fingertips; we really don't have to listen to rumors and lies.

  7. creditcardfree Says:

    Well said, CB. Smile

  8. livingalmostlarge Says:

    Except I've always thought the electoral college a joke. That in the general election people only in swing states matter and everyone else is passed over. Live in a state that swings one way or other? Forget your vote don't bother.

    Since I've never lived in a swing state and only places where my vote never matters I never see anything. Great to know that my vote isn't necessary. Great to know that only people in Ohio, Florida, Penn, etc matter and that every other state sure you guys all go to bed.

    I wonder if we didn't have electoral college and only by popular vote what would happen?

  9. creditcardfree Says:

    On the local level the popular vote is exactly how it works. Two people running for mayor or city council, the one with the most votes wins. Again, representative government is what the US is and the framers of the constitution were very careful to pick it: http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html

  10. rob62521 Says:

    I try not to say too much political, but this whole race has been crazy. Some survey person called and asked who I was voting for and I told them honestly I didn't know since I didn't care for any of the presidential candidates.

  11. LivingAlmostLarge Says:

    I feel like it's a madhouse

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